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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 07:47 AM #1 Arrow "Video" of "plane" hitting Pentagon
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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 08:09 AM #3
this is old...

Do people really still believe this?
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this is old...

Do people really still believe this?
I don't really care, truth be told. If it were true, would I think any less of the administration than I already do?
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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 08:27 AM #5
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I don't really care, truth be told. If it were true, would I think any less of the administration than I already do?

No what I meant was: Are people still circulating this
as if it were news? I remember it hitting the intra-
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like a month or so after 9/11...It was a biggie
with conspiracy theorists until it was debunked a couple
years back. Didn't even know it was still online.

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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 09:04 AM #6
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Hell yeah, its like the ultimate creeping conspiracy music.
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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 09:17 AM #7
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No what I meant was: Are people still circulating this
as if it were news? I remember it hitting the intra-
web
like a month or so after 9/11...It was a biggie
with conspiracy theorists until it was debunked a couple
years back. Didn't even know it was still online.

Cool track though. Dust brothers need to put out
more material.
maudi you mean to tell me you do not believe it was a government conspiracy, the whole 9/11 silly thing. I'm shocked beyond belief. Are you on medication now?!?
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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 09:55 AM #8
[Wayne Brady] They put Dick Cheney in charge of first response and air defence systems in the summer of 2001, and shit goes CRAZY! [/Wayne Brady]

The whole 'WTC 7 collapse?/controlled demolition?' and 'missile hitting the pentagon?' "angles" really have divided the various camps of researchers who have been investigaing the inconsistencies and outright fallacies inherent in the 'official 9/11 story'.

It's expected in certain ways, but still unfortunate - there's so many more obvious holes to explore, no pun intended.

Here's a slip of the tongue from Rummy that the 'It wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon' crowd jumped all over as Freudian in nature:

"They [find a lot] and any number of terrorist efforts have been dissuaded, deterred or stopped by good intelligence gathering and good preventive work. It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."

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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 10:00 AM #9
so those 19 saudis who slashed the stewardess throats and took flight lessons all that year were just a figment of my imagination?

these conspiracy wet farts who buy this story also claim that bin laden was 'created' by CIA.
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so those 19 saudis who slashed the stewardess throats and took flight lessons all that year were just a figment of my imagination?

these conspiracy wet farts who buy this story also claim that bin laden was 'created' by CIA.
The 19, except for the ones who actually were alive and well and living overseas.

And I loved how they identified one of the 'jackers ... by finding his passport in the rubble, amidst all the dissolved molten steel and such. Beauty.

And bin Laden wasn't 'created' by the CIA - they merely armed, trained and provided him with other types of material support. I thought you did your history lessons on the Afghan conflict, son?

True liberty requires eternal vigilance - or are you busy avoiding that part of the equation?
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maudi you mean to tell me you do not believe it was a government conspiracy, the whole 9/11 silly thing. I'm shocked beyond belief. Are you on medication now?!?
Why would I ever believe that Pooh-Pooh?
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The 19, except for the ones who actually were alive and well and living overseas.

And I loved how they identified one of the 'jackers ... by finding his passport in the rubble, amidst all the dissolved molten steel and such. Beauty.

And bin Laden wasn't 'created' by the CIA - they merely armed, trained and provided him with other types of material support. I thought you did your history lessons on the Afghan conflict, son?

True liberty requires eternal vigilance - or are you busy avoiding that part of the equation?
you are aware that one of the terrorist cells was on video at boston logan right? atta was captured on video, or is he a figment of my imagination as well.

the CIA has never met bin Laden, even during the Afghan war. you do know this, dont you?
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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 10:23 AM #13
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you are aware that one of the terrorist cells was on video at boston logan right? atta was captured on video, or is he a figment of my imagination as well.

the CIA has never met bin Laden, even during the Afghan war. you do know this, dont you?

He does have a point though that a few of the guys they put up there have been proven to be alive in other parts of the world.

I'm not saying terrorists didn't perpetrate the attacks against the towers, but for godsakes get the roll call right when you're pointing fingers afterwards.


And yeah, I'm one of those people that in the case of the Pentegon, something fishy is definitely going on.
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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 10:29 AM #14
Documentary

You can watch the entire thing on google video somewhere for free. It's about an hour and a half.
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wait, I thought I was told that airplane fuel doesn't get hot enough to cause steel to melt, and turn molden... which is it?

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The 19, except for the ones who actually were alive and well and living overseas.

And I loved how they identified one of the 'jackers ... by finding his passport in the rubble, amidst all the dissolved molten steel and such. Beauty.

And bin Laden wasn't 'created' by the CIA - they merely armed, trained and provided him with other types of material support. I thought you did your history lessons on the Afghan conflict, son?

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wait, I thought I was told that airplane fuel doesn't get hot enough to cause steel to melt, and turn molden... which is it?

Only three skyscrapers in history have totally collapsed solely from fire...

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you are aware that one of the terrorist cells was on video at boston logan right? atta was captured on video, or is he a figment of my imagination as well.

the CIA has never met bin Laden, even during the Afghan war. you do know this, dont you?
I've looked into it (they have actually interviewed the six or seven 'survivors'), you rely on what you've been told by the American MSM. But you've already admitted as much ("ONE of the terrorist cells...").

Interesting background on Atta's time in Germany, too - Hamburg, to be exact. But ou wouldn't be interested in that.

And who trained and outfitted the Mujahadeen, then, son? Or are you taking the Spooks at their word?

Remember my motto for you to employ in your debating techniques (consistency, consistency, consistency)? Add this one to your study schedule, patriot-boy: vigilance, vigilance, vigilance.
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I've looked into it (they have actually interviewed the six or seven 'survivors'), you rely on what you've been told by the American MSM. But you've already admitted as much ("ONE of the terrorist cells...").

Interesting background on Atta's time in Germany, too - Hamburg, to be exact. But ou wouldn't be interested in that.

And who trained and outfitted the Mujahadeen, then, son? Or are you taking the Spooks at their word?

Remember my motto for you to employ in your debating techniques (consistency, consistency, consistency)? Add this one to your study schedule, patriot-boy: vigilance, vigilance, vigilance.

the CIA trained scores of afghan and pashtun fighters, but has never trained or had contact with binLaden and his men. at the time, binladen was competing for support against another warlord, Hekmatyar. Bin laden never needed financing from CIA due to his own wealth.

Given that many of the mujahedin had the same mindset in terms of religious zeal as bin ladens men, its not a big mistake confusing the 2, but the CIA has never provided bin laden any training nor weapons.

the stingers that the CIA did give to the afghan resistance were all kept track off (they gave around 300 stingers), and after the soviets withdrew, CIA had a major stinger sweep and recovered about 80% of them.

now as to your tinfoil crackpot theories, i dont buy them for the simple reason that i was across the river when the towers went down and saw it with my own eyes. it wasnt a 'controlled explosion', atta was not a CIA employee and a similar attack was tried before in 93, or was that our government behind that one as well?

conspiracy theories dont work for the simple fact that it is statistically impossible to keep something as large as 9.11 a secret. government is not a monolithic entity, its a mass of humans with different backgrounds, political ideologies and viewpoints. if there was something truly shady about governments role behind 9.11, we would know about it. i think people watch too many movies and discount binLaden's operational capability and strategic thinking.
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wait, I thought I was told that airplane fuel doesn't get hot enough to cause steel to melt, and turn molden... which is it?
I just wrote that to reinforce the idea of how immensely improbable it would be to find an intact and legible passport from the ruins of a pulverized airliner.

The whole 'tower collapse scenario' is, to my mind, a distraction and a godsend to the PsyOps/CoIntelPro operators who are out to convince the world (strike that, American voters) that there wasn't any 'intentional obfuscation/negligence', or 'willful ignorance', from various sources within the intelligence community and Vice President's Office when it came to unearthing/monitoring/preventing the 9/11 plot.

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And yeah, I'm one of those people that in the case of the Pentegon, something fishy is definitely going on.
Wait, Tribal's gonna fill us all in on the details about how a "dirka dirka" (as he obsessively loves to call anyone from that part of the world) who FAILED his six-month flight exam could then perform an act of flying precision (ie., the route that the Pentagon plane took in hitting the building) that jumbo jet pilots and air force veterans have said (on record) would have taxed the skills of the most experienced pilot....

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Wait, Tribal's gonna fill us all in on the details about how a "dirka dirka" (as he obsessively loves to call anyone from that part of the world) who FAILED his six-month flight exam could then perform an act of flying precision (ie., the route that the Pentagon plane took in hitting the building) that jumbo jet pilots and air force veterans have said (on record) would have taxed the skills of the most experienced pilot....

Vigilance, vigilance, vigilance.


do you love pulling large chunks of nonsense out of your own ass?

have you ever flown a plane? its not that difficult to crash a jet into a building, it doesnt take monumental 'precision'. the pentagon is a very, very large building. so was the WTC. im not sure what experienced jet pilots you talked to, but ramming a jet into a building does not require years of experience.
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the CIA trained scores of afghan and pashtun fighters, but has never trained or had contact with binLaden and his men. at the time, binladen was competing for support against another warlord, Hekmatyar. Bin laden never needed financing from CIA due to his own wealth.
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OSAMA BIN LADEN - A CIA CREATION AND ITS "BLOWBACK"

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On August 20 [1998] the United States launched a series of cruise missile attacks against alleged terrorist camps in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan, both of which were said to be under the control of a rabid Islamic fundamentalist leader and arch terrorist named Osama bin-Laden. I did some checking on bin-Laden and what I found out leads me to suspect that the CIA and the U.S. government would rather have this evil terrorist hiding in the mountains of Afghanistan than answering questions which might embarrass them.

Shortly after the Russians invaded Afghanistan, the young and wealthy Saudi Arabian named bin-Laden rushed to Afghani mountains to fight a Muslim holy war against Godless Communism. Having inherited more than thirty million dollars from his father's construction business he was in a position to lend immediate help to the struggling Afghani freedom fighters. He formed quick alliances among the half dozen or so major factions of the Mujahedeen led by Afghani Sheik Hekmatyar.

US records indicate that we spent nearly $3 billion dollars over the next eight years to train and equip the Afghan rebels. We even supplied them with Stinger missiles, which caused great concern in later years as we began to fear they would be turned against us. The U.S. Congress appropriated ransom money to buy them back in the early 90s. Few were recovered. In addition the CIA, under Bill Casey, sponsored an explosion in the heroin trade to finance the war. This was nothing new.

In 1979, when the Soviet invasion occurred, virtually none of the heroin entering the US came from the so-called Golden Crescent in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. At the time it was coming from Mexico and Southeast Asia. By 1982 the region was producing exportable opium base equivalent to 20-30 tons of heroin a year. Of that, at least 4.5 tons reached the U.S. By 1988 those numbers had increased to 70 to 80 tons of heroin of which 15 to 20 tons reached the US.

According to Alfred McCoy, in his outstanding book The Politics of Heroin (Lawrence Hill Books, 1972, 1991), Hekmatyar controlled no less than six heroin refineries in the Khyber District of Pakistan alone. At his side was Osama bin-Laden.

Around the time that Osama bin-Laden moved to Afghanistan in 1980 he was also curiously able to found a series of investment companies under the umbrella SICO which he headquartered in Geneva. Sources formerly in the intelligence community have confirmed to me that, as bin-Laden established branches in the Cayman islands and the Bahamas, he employed law firms and consultants connected to Langley, Virginia and the CIA.

Throughout the Afghan war bin-Laden grew in reputation as a fearless leader and devout Muslim. His wealth also increased rapidly. I wonder why? By the end of the war and the Soviet withdrawal he was known throughout Africa and the Middle East as a radical fundamentalist leader who had turned his sights against the U.S. But this was not without creating enemies both in Afghanistan and his home country of Saudi Arabia, which drew ever more securely into the U.S. sphere - especially during and after the Gulf War.

In the early 1990s bin-Laden took up sanctuary in the Sudan and was afforded a kind of safe haven. He threw himself into massive construction projects including road building. The Sudanese government has admitted that it had an agreement with the U.S. to monitor bin-Laden and to curtail his terrorist activities. In exchange for this Sudan received unspecified rewards. It is, therefore, mystifying as to why, with bin-Laden under scrutiny in the reasonably accessible and penetrable Sudan, the U.S. government forced the Sudanese government to expel him in 1995. This drove him back into the arms of the increasingly hostile Taliban militia in Afghanistan. There, he re-established relations with Afghani drug lords in the towns of Jhost and Jalalabad.

When the U.S. cruise missiles struck the El-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum, a host of conflicting stories appeared as to who owned the plant and when it was built. The British turned up a man named Tom Carnaffin who claimed to have helped build the plant and manage it from 1992 through 1996. Other records and sources indicated, however, that the plant was not built until 1996. Carnaffin claimed that he was intimately familiar with the plant and that it could not have produced nerve agents as the U.S. claimed. Later the U.S. backed down and said that it didnŐt have proof that bin-Laden owned the plant. In the meantime about four other people were named who reportedly did. Some of them didnŐt know each other.

What really got my attention was the fact that the French Internet publication, Indigo, reported that bin-Laden had been a London guest of British Intelligence as recently as 1996 and his treasurer, last year, defected to the Saudis as different factions shifted alliances for new campaigns in the Middle East. If the guy travels to London and has businesses in the Caymans and Geneva, how difficult can he be to find? Why did the British stand so resolutely behind the American attacks?

Murky? You bet. Fishy? Absolutely. It may be entirely possible that the plant in the Sudan was storing databases for Iraqi chem and biowar agents. It may well be that the plant even had silent investors connected to Saddam Hussein and thence, back here in the States.

Maybe when I have a couple of thousand subscribers and a staff I'll be able to spend the time digging into stories like this one. But one thing's for sure, Osama bin-Laden is in a place where CIA can't reach him right now and I bet they want it that way. Like so many other terrorists, from the World Trade Center, to Pan Am 103, he is one of their own creations.

As my good friend, Producer Marc Levin, points out, the CIA has a term for it when one of their operations goes awry and turns ugly, "It's called 'Blowback'." Levin produced an outstanding 1997 six hour documentary on CIA for PBS entitled, "CIA - America's Secret Warriors " If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it as not only basic reference but great entertainment.
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Why would I ever believe that Pooh-Pooh?
not sure. I figured your self hatred and hatred for america would allow you no other outs than to claim the gubment did it. Good for you that you don't feel that way...
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do you love pulling large chunks of nonsense out of your own ass?

have you ever flown a plane? its not that difficult to crash a jet into a building, it doesnt take monumental 'precision'. the pentagon is a very, very large building. so was the WTC. im not sure what experienced jet pilots you talked to, but ramming a jet into a building does not require years of experience.

Well, unlike the towers, the Pentegon isn't the tallest of buildings, it's actually pretty low to the ground, it just covers a whole whopping bit of area.

So yeah, I would say piloting 40 tons of machine at 500 mph, only a handful of feet off the ground would be a taxing task for even the most experienced pilots.

I don't believe an amateur could pull that off. I don't believe someone with bare minimum skills could either.
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bin-Laden established branches in the Cayman islands and the Bahamas, he employed law firms and consultants connected to Langley, Virginia and the CIA.
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this is the only 'evidence' you can come up with?

have you read Ghost Wars? it goes into detail about the relationship between CIA, ISI and teh afghan resistance. the CIA in effect 'outsourced' funding for the afghan resistance to the ISI, which often pitted groups of afghan fighters against one another. they were never successful at recruiting bin laden to their end, and he remained independent of CIA or ISI control.

the CIA in fact supported and funded to an extent, bin laden's rival in teh north, Massoud, who would be killed by bin laden's agents 2 days before 9.11.
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Well, unlike the towers, the Pentegon isn't the tallest of buildings, it's actually pretty low to the ground, it just covers a whole whopping bit of area.

So yeah, I would say piloting 40 tons of machine at 500 mph, only a handful of feet off the ground would be a taxing task for even the most experienced pilots.

I don't believe an amateur could pull that off. I don't believe someone with bare minimum skills could either.

jets like 737 or A300 size are very stable at ground level due to their mass and large flaps and a large vertical stabilizer. it doesnt take a genius to plot a course vector from the airport to the pentagon (any idiot with a flight map can figure out which heading to take) and then lowering altitude a few miles from the target. the pentagon is at least 5 stories high. its not as difficult as these 'experts' make it out to be. i fly planes on weekends, trust me, its not something you need years of experience for.
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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 11:03 AM #26
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conspiracy theories dont work for the simple fact that it is statistically impossible to keep something as large as 9.11 a secret. government is not a monolithic entity, its a mass of humans with different backgrounds, political ideologies and viewpoints. if there was something truly shady about governments role behind 9.11, we would know about it. i think people watch too many movies and discount binLaden's operational capability and strategic thinking.
'watch too many movies'? It's the deniers who have 'gone Hollywood' (Arnie's 'True Lies' springs to mind).

'We would know about it' from... who? The MSM (much of which is owned/co-owned by parent companies with military investments) who did such a bang-up job in the aftermath of the Iraq war with calling out the administration on it's lies and blatant falsehoods?

As for ways & means: It's called 'compartementalization'. and it's a very effective operational strategem.

Check this out - they've even used DoD/Pentagon analysis to re-create the order of events on that fateful morning (notice how Cheney was at the centre of everything, no need to delegate on sch a historic morning):

Crossing the Rubicon
Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney

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January 18, 2005 (FTW) - In an argument of over 600 pages and 1,000 footnotes, Crossing the Rubicon makes the case for official complicity within the U.S. government and names Dick Cheney as the prime suspect in the crimes of 9/11. Since the publication of this book (to which I had the privilege of contributing a chapter), many people have asked to hear the case against Cheney argued "short & sweet."

I will make it as short as possible, but it can never be sweet.
There are 3 major points made within this book that are crucial to proving Cheney's guilt. I shall first list them and then go on to prove each point as laid out in Crossing the Rubicon.

1. Means - Dick Cheney and the Secret Service: Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air Force response on 9/11. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11. (Click here for a summary of these points)

2. Motive - Peak Oil: At some point between 2000 and 2007, world oil production reaches its peak; from that point on, every barrel of oil is going to be harder to find, more expensive to recover, and more valuable to those who recover and control it. Dick Cheney was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided the pretext for the series of energy wars that Cheney stated, "will not end in our lifetime." (Click here for a summary of these points)

3. Opportunity - 9/11 War Games: The Air Force was running multiple war games on the morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA radar screens. These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded. The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding. These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management. (Click here for a summary of these points)

Here is the supporting documentation as laid out in Crossing the Rubicon, making a legal case against Dick Cheney for the crimes of 9/11.

• MEANS: Dick Cheney and the Secret Service
As the 9/11 plot unfolded, it has been reported that Secret Service whisked Dick Cheney into an underground presidential bunker at 9:03. 1 This establishes that the Secret Service was in the loop giving orders by at least 9:03, and almost certainly much earlier, as we will show.

Former counter-terrorism advisor Richard Clarke writes in Against All Enemies: "Secret Service had a system that allowed them to see what FAA's radar was seeing." The Kean Commission (also known as the 9/11 Commission) would have us believe that the chain of command on 9/11 was a complex web, but in reality the Secret Service had the authority to communicate presidential and vice presidential orders directly to fighter pilots in the air. 2

In Air War Over America, a book commissioned by the Air Force documenting the morning of 9/11, it is stated that the FAA contacted Otis Air Force base informing them Flight 11 was headed to Manhattan and had lost its identification signal by 8:30. 3 This indicates Secret Service was in the loop by the same time, or shortly thereafter, since they are able to see FAA radar screens in real time and FAA is reaching out to the military. There is no question that by 8:45 at the absolute latest, likely much earlier, Secret Service is in the decision-making loop. They were most likely in the loop after 8:15 when flight 11 turned its transponder off.

National Special Security Event
It is the Secret Service who has the legal mandate to take supreme command in case of a scheduled major event - or an unplanned major emergency - on American soil; these are designated "National Special Security Events." The Atlanta Olympic Games and the Republican & Democratic National Conventions are notable examples of NSSE's. In preparation, the Secret Service runs training initiatives of simulated attacks and field exercises for such events. 4

The Secret Service works with state and local authorities as well as the military to coordinate security efforts; it has the best communication system of any agency in the country; and its personnel are always present with both the President and Vice President - making it the perfect agency to take supreme command in case of a major emergency on American soil. 5

When 9/11 occurred, the legal framework was in place to allow the Secret Service to take supreme command over any and all American agencies, including the Air Force. 6

Richard Clarke writes in Against All Enemies: "I was amazed at the speed of the decisions coming from Cheney and, through him, from Bush." 7 This is to be expected. Everything was in place for the Commander in Chief to be calling all the shots as the 9/11 plot unfolded, but Bush was in an elementary school reading about goats with Secret Service agents right beside him.

Bush's Secret Service detail was in real-time communication not only with the FAA, but also the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center), into which Dick Cheney had reportedly been whisked by the Secret Service. While Bush continued his elementary school photo-op after being told, "America is under attack," Ari Fleischer - according to the Washington Times, 10/7/02 - caught the president's eye and held up a handwritten sign that said "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET." 8 Bush was intentionally being kept out of the decision-making loop during the critical moments of 9/11. The Vice President has no place in the official military chain of command.9

Thus far we have established that:

1. Secret Service was the supreme command on 9/11.
2. Bush was not in the role of Commander in Chief at critical times on 9/11.
3. The acting Commander in Chief as the 9/11 plot unfolded was Dick Cheney.

• MOTIVE: Peak Oil
By definition, world hydrocarbon (oil and gas) production peaks when half the planet's reserves have been used up. After that point, every barrel of oil will be harder to find, more expensive to obtain, and more valuable to whoever controls it. Many of the world's foremost experts place that peak between 2000 and 2007.

We live in a global economic system based on endless growth, and that growth is only possible with endless hydrocarbons to burn. Demand for oil and gas is increasing at staggering rates; after peak, there will be demand that simply cannot be met, and energy prices will rise inexorably.

The resulting economic catastrophe may see oil hit $100 per barrel before the end of this decade. Oil not only keeps us warm and moves our cars, it is used to make all plastics and is, together with natural gas, the most important ingredient keeping modern agriculture afloat. It is a little known fact that for every 1 calorie of food energy produced, 10 calories of hydrocarbons are consumed. 10

We eat oil.

Without cheap oil, billions of people will freeze or starve and unfortunately, there is no combination of renewable energy sources that can replace oil and gas consumption without massive conservation efforts that are nowhere in sight.

Cheney knew about this.

There are no national plans for conservation in America. As Dick Cheney has stated, "The American way of life is not negotiable." Over-consumption is as American as apple pie. Many industry experts have been speaking to the reality of Peak Oil for some time. One of those experts - perhaps the most prominent in the world - was in Dick Cheney's National Energy Policy Development Group (NEPDG).

Just four days after Dick Cheney became Vice President he convened the NEPDG. 11 Among the experts whose opinion Cheney paid for (with taxpayer dollars) was Matthew Simmons, one of the most respected energy investment bankers in the world. Simmons has been speaking out about Peak Oil for years, and there is no question that the urgent story of Peak Oil is what he told Cheney's NEPDG.

The content of the NEPDG documentation has been illegally withheld from the American public with a rubber stamp of approval from the Supreme Court. FTW has always contended that the deepest, darkest secrets of 9/11 are in those documents. That's why they've been guarded so tightly.

Cheney knew about Peak Oil in 1999 as CEO of Halliburton, long before was Vice President. A speech he gave at the London Institute of Petroleum demonstrates this clearly. 12

As stated in Crossing the Rubicon, "By way of confirmation, people in and close to the oil industry are reporting that increased drilling is not resulting as yet in significantly increased supply." 13

A crisis of this magnitude required a crisis plan, something the Neo-Liberals didn't have. The Neo-Conservatives, including Dick Cheney, had such a plan: manufacture a crisis - one that had long been imagined as necessary by elite planners inside the national security state 14- and use it to maintain permanent war to steal the world's last remaining hydrocarbons and temporarily stave off the Peak Oil crisis.

• OPPORTUNITY: 9/11 War Games - a perfect "match"
On May 8, 2001 - four months prior to 9/11 - the president placed Dick Cheney in charge of "[A]ll federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies…" This included all "training and planning" which needed to be "seamlessly integrated, harmonious and comprehensive" in order to "maximize effectiveness." This mandate created the Office of National Preparedness in FEMA, overseen by Dick Cheney. 15

Dick Cheney was placed directly in charge of managing the seamless integration of all training exercises throughout the entire federal government and all military agencies. On 9/11 Cheney oversaw multiple war games and terror drills, including several exercises of NORAD, the Air Force agency whose mandate is to "watch the sky."

The evening before September 11th, 2001, the National Security Agency intercepted a communication between Khalid Shaikh Muhammad and the alleged ringleader of the 9/11 attacks, Mohammed Atta. The communication stated, "The match is about to begin."

Were they "matching" their activities to the war games? Was the attack a rigged "match" between the defenders on one side, and the attackers with their accomplices on the other?

The Whitehouse was so infuriated when this communication leaked from the Senate Intelligence Committee that they threatened Senators with polygraphs and office searches for disclosing classified information. This leak struck a nerve within the Whitehouse.

We know multiple Air Force war games were running on the morning of 9/11, as documented extensively in the mainstream press. 16 What Crossing the Rubicon has documented conclusively is that there was a live-fly drill taking place on 9/11 titled Vigilant Warrior. Richard Clarke disclosed the name of this drill on page 4 of his book, but it was Major Don Arias of NORAD who confirmed the definition of the title "Warrior" to Mike Ruppert via email.

Warrior = JCS/HQ NORAD sponsored FTX, or field training exercise (live-fly). 17

That means that the Vigilant Warrior drill conducted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff involved at least one real commercial aircraft in the skies, intended to simulate exactly the kind of airliner hijack emergency presented on 9/11. Coincidence?

This was further supported by an April 18 2004 USA Today article titled, "NORAD had drills of jets as weapons." The report cited NORAD officials who confirmed live-fly drills were conducted using hijacked airliners originating from the continental United States used as weapons crashing into targets including the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The specific drill USA Today referred to was "planned in July [2001] and conducted later" - likely on 9/11 itself. 18

Remember, on 9/11 the Bush administration claimed it had "no idea" aircraft would be used as weapons. Then why were they drilling such scenarios before and during 9/11? The Whitehouse dodged this by saying it wasn't aware of these drills but that is a transparent lie. The drills took place in the Whitehouse! 19

Secret Service runs simulated attack field exercises - exactly what Vigilant Warrior was. This Joint Chiefs of Staff drill was likely being run through Secret Service lines of communication by a central command under Cheney's control. 20

Additional war games on 9/11 included Northern Vigilance, an exercise that pulled Air Force fighters from the east coast of the United States up into Canada and Alaska simulating an attack out of Russia. All of those fighters were rendered useless as the 9/11 plot unfolded - too far away to respond.

One of the components of this drill included "false blips" (radar injects simulating aircraft in flight) placed on FAA radar screens. 21 At one point FAA head Jane Garvey said they suspected up to 11 hijackings on 9/11. Was she saying they couldn't determine which were real, which were simulated, and which were live-fly military exercises?

Regardless, all of this rendered Air Force response on 9/11 useless.

In Air War Over America it is documented that General Arnold of NORAD didn't pull out of the war game titled Vigilant Guardian until reports of flight 93 being hijacked were coming in. That was at 9:16, a total of 54 minutes after it was known that flight 11 was a hijacking. 22 What took so long? Were there still "false blips" on FAA radar screens at this time?

There were likely false blips on screen even after 9:16. The Kean Commission's report introduced "phantom flight-11" as being reported by the FAA at 9:25 on 9/11. The FAA reported flight 11 was heading to Washington D.C. at that time when in fact it had already struck the World Trade Center. The Kean Commission's report stated they were "unable to locate the source of the mistaken FAA information." 23

"Phantom flight-11" was a false blip, but since the war games are classified, specific information on "false blips" and other details can't be reported.

Now imagine being an air traffic controller with both real planes and "false blips" simulating hijackings on your screens when suddenly there are real, multiple, hijackings. Where do you send the few Air Force fighters that you have? You can't guess wrong, you don't have enough assets for that. The FAA doesn't even make that decision, the military does. The Kean Commission managed to scapegoat the FAA in their report, but the Air Force itself confirmed the FAA did its job properly on 9/11 in Air War Over America. 24

There were more 9/11 war games including Northern Guardian, Northern Denial (recently confirmed by an Assistant Editor at Harper's magazine) and an unnamed National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) drill for a plane crashing into NRO headquarters at precisely the time of an actual crash in New York.

Another coincidence?

War games, terror drills and exercises are run by the military quite frequently. In this case, they mirrored the real attacks of 9/11 with such shocking congruence as to be beyond the realm of coincidence.

This is made clear when we consider the warnings that had flooded U.S. Intelligence prior to 9/11, indicating that terrorists were planning to hijack aircraft and crash them into American targets on the ground during the week of September 9th, 2001. 25 With that type of information, who in their right mind would then schedule war games that would leave New York and Washington D.C. completely undefended?

We've already shown that the man in charge of managing all such programs was Dick Cheney. Among the central decision-makers for the scheduling of so many simultaneous exercises would be Dick Cheney and Ralph Eberhart, head of NORAD.

It certainly was a perfect "match."

The Maestro
The most important revelation made about the 9/11 war games comes again from Major Don Arias of NORAD. With multiple war games running, there had to be someone coordinating them.

"Yes, there is an exercise maestro," said Don Arias in a phone interview. 26

So who was the maestro?

Mike Ruppert called every relevant military and government office looking for an answer to this question and received no response. At the final 9/11 Commission hearing on June 17, 2004, I asked General Ralph Eberhart - the man in charge of NORAD on 9/11 - who was in charge of coordinating the war games that day. His only response was, "No comment." None of the commissioners, including Chairman Kean, could answer this question. 27

FTW's research has concluded the maestro was either Dick Cheney, Ralph "Ed" Eberhart, or both. Whoever the maestro was, he was certainly under Cheney's management as per the May 2001 presidential mandate.

Additionally, Tripod II was a bio-terror exercise being set-up on the west side of lower Manhattan, reportedly scheduled to begin the next day. This exercise was being coordinated with FEMA and the Department of Justice - two of the agencies placed directly under Cheney's control in May of 2001 by presidential mandate.

Another coincidence?

There is no question that Cheney would be responsible for managing this exercise. The Tripod II drill became the command & control emergency response center on 9/11. The command center in WTC 7 was reportedly evacuated by 9:30 on 9/11, but Tripod II provided a new command center organized just as the original was. 28 How convenient.

The Air Force war games ensured the air attack would be successful, and Tripod II assured Cheney would have control of the response to the crisis of his making. Matching the war games with hijackings - or hijacking the war games - was the opportunity for Cheney to help ensure the 9/11 attacks would be successful, justifying what he calls, "The war that will not end in our lifetimes." The "war on terror" is actually a war for the world's last remaining hydrocarbon reserves. This energy war is a response to a coming energy crisis that Cheney was well aware of at least as early as 1999.

Conclusion
Crossing the Rubicon demonstrates much more than is presented here. The book goes into the failures of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 insider trading, the curtailing of civil liberties, coming economic crisis, biological warfare, the real history of the Osama bin Laden, and many other issues critical to an understanding of today's historical reality.

Crossing the Rubicon also looks into the evolution of PROMIS software, a well-documented artificial intelligence and datamining program whose current descendants played an integral role in the crimes of 9/11. As Dick Cheney was running a separate chain of command via the Secret Service, he also had the capability to intervene in the functions of the FAA through an evolution of PROMIS software developed and sold by Ptech, Inc. - a company funded by Saudi terrorist financier Yassin Al Qadi. Al Qadi claims he met Dick Cheney in Jeddah before he was Vice President, a claim Cheney hasn't publicly refuted. FTW will soon be releasing an in-depth report on Ptech and its role in the crimes of 9/11.

What we have placed in front of you here is the legal case against Dick Cheney and other persons of interest within the U.S. government. Such evidence should constitute the foundation for articles of impeachment and criminal prosecution against George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and their accomplices.
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Unread Wednesday, Apr 5th 2006, 11:05 AM #27
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'watch too many movies'? It's the deniers who have 'gone Hollywood' (Arnie's 'True Lies' springs to mind).
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"What we have placed in front of you here is the legal case against Dick Cheney and other persons of interest within the U.S. government. Such evidence should constitute the foundation for articles of impeachment and criminal prosecution against George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and their accomplices."

ahhh.. we arrive at the the point! It was all about impeachment! Buddy, why didnt you just say so!
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you have made maria look like the patron saint of holy techno i-told-you-so righteousness. even her grammar is better than yours.
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jets like 737 or A300 size are very stable at ground level due to their mass and large flaps and a large vertical stabilizer. it doesnt take a genius to plot a course vector from the airport to the pentagon (any idiot with a flight map can figure out which heading to take) and then lowering altitude a few miles from the target. the pentagon is at least 5 stories high. its not as difficult as these 'experts' make it out to be. i fly planes on weekends, trust me, its not something you need years of experience for.
'trust me' funny, that's exactly what they're counting on... free-thinking, inquisitive people trusting the "experts".

Phuture, what ever you do, trust tribal over those who actually saw first hand the 'skills' exhibited by the "pilot" in question:

Hani Hanjour:
9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire


From the ridiculous to the sublime...
Federal Aviation Administration records show [Hanjour] obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots. [Cape Cod Times]

[Flight Academy] Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [New York Times]

At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.

However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.

In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.

When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997" Chilton said. [Newsday]


National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
Outline of the 9/11 Plot
[Excerpt]
"On December 12, 2000, [Nawaf al Hazmi and Hani Hanjour] were settling in Mesa, Arizona, and Hanjour was ready to brush up on his flight training (Brush up? He could barely fly a Cessna). By early 2001, he was using a Boeing 737 simulator. Because his performance struck his flight instructors as sub-standard, they discouraged Hanjour from continuing, but he persisted."

After wisely investing $40 Hanjour produced the following miraculous results on 9/11:

At a speed of about 500 miles an hour, the plane was headed straight for what is known as P-56, protected air space 56, which covers the White House and the Capitol.

"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe." [NATCA]

But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot [Hanjour] executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said.

Less than an hour after two other jets demolished the World Trade Center in Manhattan, Flight 77 carved a hole in the nation's defense headquarters, a hole five stories high and 200 feet wide.

Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious. [Washington Post]

“For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible – there is not one chance in a thousand,” said [ex-commercial pilot Russ] Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727’s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737’s through 767’s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying. [LewisNews]
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not sure. I figured your self hatred and hatred for america would allow you no other outs than to claim the gubment did it. Good for you that you don't feel that way...
lol Ohhhhhh kaaayyy..
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