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Unread Wednesday, Aug 4th 2004, 12:59 PM #1 Saudi prince gave Bush family $130k in jewelry last year
Raw meat - a gift fit for a President
By Matthew Lee
August 03, 2004
A SAUDI prince lavished nearly $US130,000 ($185,000) of fine jewellery on US President George W. Bush, his wife, children and top aides in 2003, but the weightiest gift for the first family last year was kilos of raw meat.

Documents released today showed that, while Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz's exquisite baubles may have cemented US-Saudi friendship amid tension over Iraq, Argentine President Nestor Kirchner's 136kg present most likely did more to slake war-time appetites.

Although valued at only $US1500 ($2140) - far less than the crown prince's $US128,000 ($182,000) largesse - President Kirchner's meat was arguably the most unusual gift the president received.

Presented to Bush during an official visit to Washington in July, during which Mr Kirchner secured US support for a new international loan program, the lamb was transferred to the General Services Administration, presumably for distribution to government cafeterias or charity.

Unfortunately, there is no record of what actually became of the meat or whether there was any connection between it and the sheep responsible for a $US214 ($304) grey wool poncho that Mr Kirchner and his wife also gave to the first family during the visit.

Under US law, almost all gifts to the president and his top aides - from the most humble to the most extravagant - must be reported.

According to today's documents, compiled by the State Department's Office of Protocol and published in the Federal Register, the single-most valuable item received in 2003 was a $US95,500 ($136,000) matching set of diamond and sapphire earrings, bracelet and necklace presented to First Lady Laura Bush by Crown Prince Abdullah.

Mr Bush received a mantel clock "elaborately detailed in silver and gold vermeil" and worth $US8500 ($12,100), while the "first family" was listed as the recipient of two Bulgari necklace, ring and earring sets.

Made of pearl and diamonds and diamonds and black onyx - and valued respectively at $US8000 and $US8500 dollars ($11,390 and $12,100) - the sets appear to have been intended for the president's twin daughters, Jenna and Barbara.

All the prince's presents - including two $US1500 ($2135) gold and silver ceremonial daggers for White House chief of staff Andrew Card and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, a $US3000 (about $4300) horse sculpture presented to Rice deputy, Stephen Hadley, and a $US1500 ivory and gold letter opener offered to Secretary of State Colin Powell - have been turned over the National Archives, according to the documents.

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi - one of Mr Bush's strongest European allies - was no slouch in the gift-giving department the 74 pages of records show.

Mr Berlusconi presented the Bush family, Ms Rice, Mr Card and Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with more than $US35,000 ($50,000) worth of gifts in 2003.

Those included a $US12,000 ($17,000) wristwatch and $US4500 ($6400) alabaster statue for the president, a $US7500 ($10,700) silver and diamond choker for the first lady, a $US7500 gold and diamond bracelet for Ms Rice and a $US3000 ($4300) watch for Mr Card.

The single most valuable gift given to Mr Bush in 2003 came from Russian President Vladimir Putin, who presented him with a collection of original watercolour portraits of all 43 US presidents bound in a "red velvet book studded with precious gems" worth $US45,000 ($64,000).

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Unread Wednesday, Aug 4th 2004, 01:04 PM #2
i dont think Bush / any President should be allowed to accept gifts

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Unread Wednesday, Aug 4th 2004, 01:09 PM #3
shouldn't your headline be "Saudi prince gave National Archives $130k in jewelry last year" in order to be more correct?

the president & family are not allowed to keep any such gifts. that's part of why the clintons got in such trouble on moving out of the white house...
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I guess there's no monetary limit to the value of the gifts received ... which is retarded b/c the government limits gifts in the financial industry to $100.
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I guess there's no monetary limit to the value of the gifts received ... which is retarded b/c the government limits gifts in the financial industry to $100.
you can keep the gifts.

the president and family can not.
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sigh. mountain, meet molehill.

it is TRADITION for visiting dignitaries to give gifts....many times they are lavish. sometimes they are simple.

this is not news.
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$130,000 in jewels from the Saudi Prince aint shit imo
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bush and prince bandar of saudi arabia are reallllllly tight...

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sigh. mountain, meet molehill.

it is TRADITION for visiting dignitaries to give gifts....many times they are lavish. sometimes they are simple.

this is not news.
i expected your post to read

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bush and prince bandar of saudi arabia are reallllllly tight...

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EVERY PRESIDENT RECEIVES GIFTS. THIS IS NEITHER UNIQUE NOR SPECIFIC TO THIS PRESIDENT. Honestly now, what's the point of this exercise, Erik? If it was petty sniping under Clinton, it's certainly no better now.


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Clintons' Record Gift Take Raises Ethics Questions

By Brian Hartman




W A S H I N G T O N, Jan. 25 — When the Clintons left the White House last week, they hauled away a small fortune in gifts — and set off a new ethics controversy.

Financial disclosure reports show President Clinton and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accepted $190,027 in gifts last year — more than any previous first couple.

Like newlyweds, the outgoing president and the just-elected junior senator from New York were feted and lavished with gifts by the same friends and backers who had filled the coffers of their political campaigns.

Wish List

In the final days of their administration, Clinton supporters even took the extraordinary step of setting up an account akin to a gift registry with Borsheim's, a high-end jewelery and china dealership owned by billionaire financier Warren Buffett.

Mrs. Clinton discovered Borsheim's last spring while visiting Omaha, where Buffett hosted a fundraiser that brought in about $100,000 for her Senate campaign. The Omaha World-Herald reported at the time that she spent two hours in the store with Buffett, and left with three shopping bags.

Nine months later, ABCNEWS has learned, Clinton's Beverly Hills friend Rita Pynoos asked other supporters to give generously to help the first family launch their new life. A source close to one of those solicited confirmed Pynoos had suggested a $5,000 contribution.

But rather than send a check to the White House, the Clinton backer was asked to send a check to Borsheim's. The donor also was asked to rush the payment in before Jan. 3, when Senate ethics rules would bar Sen. Clinton from receiving such gifts. Other supporters confirm they too were asked to contact Borsheim's.

It's impossible to tell how many of the gifts listed on the Clinton's final disclosure forms were given in those final days, or which were purchased from Borsheim's. But the Clintons listed $50,000 worth of furniture, $10,000 in flatware and $22,000 in china.

Pynoos herself gave nearly $6,000 worth of flatware and cashmere.

Pardon Me?

A spokesman for the Dreamworks SKG film studios said actress Kate Capshaw, wife of movie mogul Steven Spielberg, honored the Clintons in December by hosting a housewarming shower. Their gift alone — china — totalled nearly $5,000. More infamous than famous was another contributor: Denise Rich, a fugitive financier's ex-wife, who gave the Clintons two coffee tables and two chairs totalling $7,375 in value.

Rich has given more than $1 million to Democrats since 1993, but insists her financial support has "absolutely nothing to do with" President Clinton's decision, one of his last official acts, to pardon her ex-husband — a billionaire on the lam in Europe while wanted on more than 50 counts by several U.S. law enforcement agencies.

The pardon infuriated U.S. attorneys working on the case, who said Clinton made the decision without even consulting them. In an interview today on ABC's Good Morning America, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said the chain of events raised disturbing questions.

"The wife of a fugitive from justice can give a million dollars, and by the way $7,000 in furniture to the Clintons, avoiding technically the gift ban for United States senators because Mrs. Clinton wasn't sworn in yet, and all of a sudden the guy gets a pardon," McCain said. "No one can understand why ... a fugitive from justice would get a pardon."

Money for Nothing

Ex-President Clinton says money had nothing to do with his decision to pardon Rich, saying the fugitive's lawyer, Jack Quinn, made a compelling case for the pardon on the merits. Quinn was one of the many lawyers who helped handle Clinton's impeachment trial.

"I spent a lot of time on that case. I think there are very good reasons for it," Clinton told reporters this weekend at a deli near his new home in Chappaqua, N.Y. "I spent a lot of personal time talking because it's an unusual case, but Quinn made a strong case and I was convinced he was right on the merits. And that's all I can say."

Quinn told the New York Times today that he managed to convince Clinton that Rich's case was best handled as a civil case, rather than a criminal matter. Rich was indicted for, among other things, illegally buying oil from Iran during the 1979 hostage crisis.

Sen. Clinton has kept quiet on the issue. But her spokesman, Howard Wolfson, denied the gifts were inappropriate.

"The gifts the Clintons received, they disclosed on their disclosure forms," Wolfson said. "She has fulfilled her Senate ethics obligations."

Chris Vlasto, Ariane DeVogue, Ann Compton and Jackie Judd contributed to this report.

Clinton Pardons Fugitive Financier



Presidential Gifts Through History

Bill Clinton

Altogether, the Clintons took a total of $21,819 worth of china. They received five gifts of flatware worth a total of $17,966. There was $52,021 worth of furniture, $71,650 in artworks and three carpets valued at $12,282. Among the biggest gifts were two sofas, an easy chair and an ottoman valued at $19,900.

The Class of '68 at Georgetown University, the President's alma mater, gave the Clintons a $38,000 basket set by artist Dale Chihuly, and Chihuly himself chipped in a glass sculpture worth $22,000.

The Clintons also were given a travel humidor, china cabinet and a copy of President Abraham Lincoln's Cooper Union Speech — worth $9,683 — from insurance magnate Walter Kaye. That's the same Walter Kaye who lobbied to get Monica Lewinsky her White House internship.

Other gifts included a $5,000 rug, a sofa valued at $2,843, a cashmere shawl and flatware worth $5,767, and a painting listed at $3,000.

Actor Sylvester Stallone gave the president boxing gloves valued at $300, actor Jack Nicholson gave him a golf driver worth $350. Husband-and-wife actors Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgen gave $4,787 in flatware.

Jimmy Carter

Not surprisingly, Carter seems to have set some kind of standard of modesty.

In 1979, Carter declared exactly five personal gifts he was keeping: A pair of 600-year old Indian pots, a brass barometer, a book on Aaron Copeland, a book on Norman Rockwell and a ship's clock from the Naval Academy.

Ronald Reagan

The Reagans tended to less modest in their gift-taking, but were still not in the Clintons' league.

In 1983, Reagan accepted $18,590 in personal gifts. They included: a fertilizer spreader worth about $600, a $7,000 oil painting of a cowboy, a tack box (for horse riding gear) ($400), a lizard belt ($195) and a horse blanket ($275), a porcelain dinner set ($2,963) and two picture frames inscribed by Frank Sinatra ($400).

George H.W. Bush

In 1992, his record year, George Bush received $52,853 in gifts. But three antique shotguns accounted for about $31,000 of that. The rest of the gifts were small, including sweaters, a case of wine and five Swiss Army knives

Others

Before 1978, when the Ethics in Government Act required disclosure of gifts worth more than $250, there were few restrictions on the gifts a president could take from an American citizen.

Friends of Eisenhower financed the renovation of his farm at Gettysburg and bought him bulls, cows and other livestock. They also built him a cottage at Augusta National golf course and installed a bass pond there.

Perhaps the biggest controversy over presidential gifts came in 1974, when it was revealed first lady Pat Nixon and her daughters were given $52,000 worth of emerald and diamond jewelry by the Saudi royal family.

Those gifts were illegal under the 1966 Gifts and Decorations Act, which covered gifts from foreigners.

— Edmund Levin contributed to this report.

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By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ


Among the gifts are framed oil paintings and diamond-studded bracelet given by Vajpayee

WASHINGTON: Denise Rich, Malcolm S. Forbes, Nelson Mandela and other friends and supporters of the Clintons showered the couple with roughly $1 million in previously unreported gifts during the Clinton presidency, according to documents released by Republican congressional investigators.

The gifts vary from tens of thousands of dollars in jewelry, rugs and furnishings to a $90,000 framed handwritten letter by President Harry S. Truman, a $10,000 Mickey Mantle trading card from 1952 and nine rare books, including a six-volume, first-edition set by Winston Churchill, according to the documents.

Clinton received gifts from Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, former prime minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif, and Rashid Chaudhry, among others.

[Among the gifts are some from Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee that have been valued at $31,540. The gifts were: Two framed oil paintings, a 22-karat reversible bracelet with diamonds, glass sculpture and two books.

Clinton also received gifts worth $45,950 from former Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif. The gifts were: Cartier gold cufflinks with diamonds and emeralds, Pakistani rug, two silk/wool shawls and Cartier wrist watch with diamonds. According to the documents, among others, Clinton received gifts worth $37,250 from Rashid Chaudary. These included: Mens’s 18-karat Rolex watch, ladies 18-karat Rolex watch with diamond bezel and three antiquity items (ring, disc and sword.]

The gifts were not disclosed by the Clintons because the couple turned them over to Bill Clinton’s presidential library, the investigators said. Under federal law, gifts that the first family do not keep for themselves are exempt from the public disclosure requirement on presidential gifts, the investigators said.

The findings are contained in a 319-page report that provides a detailed account of gifts that the Clintons received in the White House. The report was compiled after a months-long inquiry by Republican investigators on a House Government Reform subcommittee.

Responding to the report, James E. Kennedy, a spokesman for Clinton, said: “This story is so old, it’s not just dated, it’s carbon-dated.”

Philippe Reines, speaking for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, also dismissed the report, saying, “Despite a concerted effort to turn a partisan preoccupation into a gift that keeps on giving, there is nothing new here.”

The findings, compiled from information contained on the White House gift database, were released Wednesday [Oct. 9] morning during a meeting of the full committee. The report was commissioned by Rep. Doug Ose, R-Calif., who is seeking to build support for legislation he has proposed to tighten the rules on gifts to presidents.

He suggested that the people who gave these gifts to the Clintons could have been trying to gain access to the White House and influence the administration’s policy decisions. “I believe that the American people have the right to know what gifts were received and retained by their president,” Ose said. In February the committee issued a preliminary report in which investigators detailed nearly $400,000 in gifts that the Clintons took with them upon leaving the White House. But the report said that the Clintons underestimated the value of dozens of those gifts. (NYT)
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October 10, 2002
by Kim

Everyone knows that the Clinton-Gore White House was a eco-friendly.

Gift
That's why we were shocked ... shocked to discover that President Clinton accepted an 18-carat gold, jeweled sheath, ivory-handled sword from a Saudi Prince. Trade in ivory is prohibited by an international convention and U.S. law. African elephants are an endangered species.

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The gift was presented to our environmental president on July 10, 1998 and is worth $75,000. (This is one of many gifts revealed Tuesday by a Congressional investigation. The former First Family neglected to report about $1 million in gifts. Find links to the list here and here.)

Conservation Act
President George H.W. Bush signed the African Elephant Conservation Act in 1989. He applied the law by banning ivory imports and initiating a worldwide ban on ivory products, like ornamental jewelry, sword handles and carvings.

Poaching
During the late 1970s and 1980s, poachers reduced the savannah elephant population from 1.2 million to about 500,000. After the 1989 worldwide ban on ivory, however, the market collapsed and elephant populations stabilized. In fact, the ivory ban was so effective that elephant herds in South Africa, Namibia, Botswana and Zimbabwe rebounded smartly. Those nations lobbied to revive ivory trade, but they were rebuffed by world environmental organizations, as well as Mr. Clinton's State Department. The Clinton people, along with Congress, banned "the use of U.S. Agency for International Development dollars from supporting or promoting trophy hunting or actions to promote trade in animal products from endangered or threatened species." And they joined "an explicit ban on activities that would lead to renewed ivory trading."

Signature
Only twenty-six days after genuflecting to the Saudi Prince for his 18-carat gold, jeweled sheath, ivory handled sword gift, Mr. Clinton signed H.R. 39, The African Elephant Conservation Reauthorization Act. He even underscored this achievement on his Environmental Actions/Earth Day List.

What was it that Mr. Clinton promised when he took office back in 1993? Oh yes, to have "the most ethical administration in history."

He thought we'd forget that promise --- but elephants never forget.

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$130,000 in jewels from the Saudi Prince aint shit imo

that shit ain't bling bling
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$130,000 in jewels from the Saudi Prince aint shit imo


think of a 130,000 bucks worth of blow james, thats enough for a whole weekend for you.


maybe even a monday night.


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EVERY PRESIDENT RECEIVES GIFTS. THIS IS NEITHER UNIQUE NOR SPECIFIC TO THIS PRESIDENT. Honestly now, what's the point of this exercise, Erik? If it was petty sniping under Clinton, it's certainly no better now.

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Dude some of the stuff he got is so fucking cool.

I would be pissed I can't keep it if I were PREZ, imo.

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The Clintons got tons of questionable gifts and often refused to return any of them. Do any of you remember when they were leaving the Ehite House thay actually took furniture as well... this was a mini scandal at the end of their presidency. Clinton got gifts from a lot of Chinese business men and people with ties to the Chinese Goverment.

Republicans made a big stink about it and the press ignored it.

This gift stuf is nothing new.
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The Clintons got tons of questionable gifts and often refused to return any of them. Do any of you remember when they were leaving the Ehite House thay actually took furniture as well... this was a mini scandal at the end of their presidency. Clinton got gifts from a lot of Chinese business men and people with ties to the Chinese Goverment.

Republicans made a big stink about it and the press ignored it.

This gift stuf is nothing new.


we get it.


clinton was a scumbag and george bush is awesome.



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Actually in this case i agree that Bush shouldn't accept crap from the Saudi's...

Just pointing out that this isn't a George Bush thing... it's a president thing

I should have said that...

And Oh yeah... BUSH IS AWESOME! LOL!
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in quickly reading the title of this post i saw:

"Saudi prince gave Bush family $130k in jews last year"

*shrugs shoulders*

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shouldn't your headline be "Saudi prince gave National Archives $130k in jewelry last year" in order to be more correct?

the president & family are not allowed to keep any such gifts. that's part of why the clintons got in such trouble on moving out of the white house...
Oh and sorry I missed that you mentioned this.. well done sir.
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in quickly reading the title of this post i saw:

"Saudi prince gave Bush family $130k in jews last year"

*shrugs shoulders*

bush likes the kosher.

btw: i take no responsibility for posting this thread.

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Gift giving among top leaders is neither new nor uncommon. It's a tradition stemming back well before North America was ever populated by Europeans.

That said, it also dates from a time where such gifts were richly symbolic political statements, and often were intended to influence the thinking of a leader. Now that such influence is (rightly) considered unseemly, gift-giving itself has taken on an insidious undertone, implying venality where none may actually exist.

As such, I think bluestar's right. There's no reason for it anymore, particularly given that the gifts are so lavish.
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"Saudi prince gave Bush family $130k in jewelry last year"

Really? All he gave me was the clap.

Ohhhh...snap! Wazzup Prince Faisal?
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